https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15065855/country-john-rich-texas-megachurch-pastor-joel-osteen.html
"Speaking on the Shawn Ryan Show on Wednesday, Rich, 51, described the passage at length before accusing Osteen, 62, of omitting the key teachings from his preaching because 'it's very uncomfortable for Christians to have to think about'. .."